On September 10, 2015, Karen Jacobsen spoke to the NPR program Here and Now about the perils of migration out of Africa. Jacobsen discussed the experiences of migrants and refugees from the continent of Africa, at a time when the world’s eyes are trained on refugees from the Syrian crisis. In the write-up, the program also featured maps on migrant routes created by The Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy and Feinstein International Center.

You can listen to the full interview, as well as view the maps of migrant routes, here.